Comments on: The Problem with Liverpool is Steven Gerrard http://www.dexysden.co.uk/2008/01/the-problem-with-liverpool-is-steven-gerrard/ The UK's Number One Football Blog Thu, 17 May 2012 13:09:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: UK Football Finder Member Articles » Blog Archive » Gerrard is not International class http://www.dexysden.co.uk/2008/01/the-problem-with-liverpool-is-steven-gerrard/comment-page-1/#comment-6999 UK Football Finder Member Articles » Blog Archive » Gerrard is not International class Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:37:18 +0000 http://blog.ukfootballfinder.co.uk/?p=68#comment-6999 [...] in Zagreb, Capello decided to bring Steven Gerrard back into the fold. Anyone who read my blog last year will know I see Steven Gerrard as the most overrated footballer of his generation. I won’t go [...] [...] in Zagreb, Capello decided to bring Steven Gerrard back into the fold. Anyone who read my blog last year will know I see Steven Gerrard as the most overrated footballer of his generation. I won’t go [...]

]]> By: rob pullinger http://www.dexysden.co.uk/2008/01/the-problem-with-liverpool-is-steven-gerrard/comment-page-1/#comment-564 rob pullinger Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:22:20 +0000 http://blog.ukfootballfinder.co.uk/?p=68#comment-564 Your entitled to your opinions, and so am i, and in Steve G we totally disagree. He is a great player, and liverppol through and through, he is what makes our team tick. Yes your right about Hamann, except he should have been playing from the start, and when he came on he held it in front of the back four and gerrad did the rest, agree he has his off days . so does everyone else, but when its crunch time and you need a bit of drive and determination he's your man and has done it time , and time again... As for flogging Gerrad to Chelsea, it didnt happen,not once, twice or three times!!! reason being he's scouse, he's a red and he's LIVERPOOL PLAYER, and wants to make history. All round midfielders, do they exist????? Your entitled to your opinions, and so am i, and in Steve G we totally disagree. He is a great player, and liverppol through and through, he is what makes our team tick.
Yes your right about Hamann, except he should have been playing from the start, and when he came on he held it in front of the back four and gerrad did the rest, agree he has his off days . so does everyone else, but when its crunch time and you need a bit of drive and determination he’s your man and has done it time , and time again…

As for flogging Gerrad to Chelsea, it didnt happen,not once, twice or three times!!! reason being he’s scouse, he’s a red and he’s LIVERPOOL PLAYER, and wants to make history.
All round midfielders, do they exist?????

]]> By: Matt http://www.dexysden.co.uk/2008/01/the-problem-with-liverpool-is-steven-gerrard/comment-page-1/#comment-563 Matt Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:51:29 +0000 http://blog.ukfootballfinder.co.uk/?p=68#comment-563 I dont think Benitez has helped matters, but i think he was willing to flog Gerrard to Chelsea and rebuild a team in his own manner. I simply do not rate Gerrard. He reminds me of an upper-class version of Thomas Hitzlesperger, who used to play for my team, Villa. The game would pass him by, he would waste a number of passes and then from no-where score a 30 yard thunderbolt. The crowd loved him. I never rated him and felt a more all-round midfielder was needed. Gerrard is obviously better but he is a jack of all trades. Hes not a defensive midfielder and he isnt a creative one either. Thats why Liverpool struggle to create chances sometimes. He produces great moments, but he will never be a great player. The days of lung-busting passionate midfielders have gone. Until he learns to cherish the ball and is content to keep possession rather than play hollywood passes then that is the day i will rate him. I think he has all the tools to be a great player. He just doesnt possess a footballing brain. Ps. Hamann was the reason you won the Champions League. With Gerrard, you were 3-0 down at half-time, and the real class, Kaka had destroyed you. (although i think Kaka is slightly overrated too!) I dont think Benitez has helped matters, but i think he was willing to flog Gerrard to Chelsea and rebuild a team in his own manner. I simply do not rate Gerrard. He reminds me of an upper-class version of Thomas Hitzlesperger, who used to play for my team, Villa. The game would pass him by, he would waste a number of passes and then from no-where score a 30 yard thunderbolt. The crowd loved him. I never rated him and felt a more all-round midfielder was needed. Gerrard is obviously better but he is a jack of all trades.
Hes not a defensive midfielder and he isnt a creative one either. Thats why Liverpool struggle to create chances sometimes. He produces great moments, but he will never be a great player. The days of lung-busting passionate midfielders have gone. Until he learns to cherish the ball and is content to keep possession rather than play hollywood passes then that is the day i will rate him. I think he has all the tools to be a great player. He just doesnt possess a footballing brain.
Ps. Hamann was the reason you won the Champions League. With Gerrard, you were 3-0 down at half-time, and the real class, Kaka had destroyed you. (although i think Kaka is slightly overrated too!)

]]> By: rob pullinger http://www.dexysden.co.uk/2008/01/the-problem-with-liverpool-is-steven-gerrard/comment-page-1/#comment-562 rob pullinger Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:32:48 +0000 http://blog.ukfootballfinder.co.uk/?p=68#comment-562 Frank Rijkaard, you got to be joking.....rather have sky sports commentator Frank Rijkaard, you got to be joking…..rather have sky sports commentator

]]> By: rob pullinger http://www.dexysden.co.uk/2008/01/the-problem-with-liverpool-is-steven-gerrard/comment-page-1/#comment-561 rob pullinger Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:31:22 +0000 http://blog.ukfootballfinder.co.uk/?p=68#comment-561 well i dont think anyone who wants rafa out is "anti-rafa", it is just a realisation that he isnt the man for the job! Indeed he hasnt had the money to spend that man utd and chelsea have, but it was shown in a very good post above that money doesnt always buy class, look at Wenger, a genius in the transfer market, never even approached 20mill for a player! the thing is the players have lost confidence in the manager. He has shown blind faith in Kuyt, so what is the point in Crouchy playing well? scoring goals?(sometimes) trianing hard? doesnt relaly matter cos there is no assurance he wil be picked. He won a CL, very very hard to do, Wenger has never done it, Fergie only once, so fair play on that, but is that enough? Other liverpool fans say to me but "hes a tactical genius", well, is he? the 2nd half in milan is one example, give me another?? BArnsley at home? Havant at home? wigan at home? reading at home? west ham? tactical genius?? What more do you need to say????? well i dont think anyone who wants rafa out is “anti-rafa”, it is just a realisation that he isnt the man for the job! Indeed he hasnt had the money to spend that man utd and chelsea have, but it was shown in a very good post above that money doesnt always buy class, look at Wenger, a genius in the transfer market, never even approached 20mill for a player!
the thing is the players have lost confidence in the manager. He has shown blind faith in Kuyt, so what is the point in Crouchy playing well? scoring goals?(sometimes) trianing hard? doesnt relaly matter cos there is no assurance he wil be picked.
He won a CL, very very hard to do, Wenger has never done it, Fergie only once, so fair play on that, but is that enough? Other liverpool fans say to me but “hes a tactical genius”, well, is he? the 2nd half in milan is one example, give me another?? BArnsley at home? Havant at home? wigan at home? reading at home? west ham? tactical genius??

What more do you need to say?????

]]> By: Darren http://www.dexysden.co.uk/2008/01/the-problem-with-liverpool-is-steven-gerrard/comment-page-1/#comment-560 Darren Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:27:50 +0000 http://blog.ukfootballfinder.co.uk/?p=68#comment-560 Arsenal have spent less than Sunderland, and yet they are the 5th richest team in Europe, reason being, they are a very well run club. Which is something you can not say about Liverpool. They will finish 6th and Rafa will be out of job this time next month. Frank Rijkaard will be in charge. You heard it first Arsenal have spent less than Sunderland, and yet they are the 5th richest team in Europe, reason being, they are a very well run club.

Which is something you can not say about Liverpool.

They will finish 6th and Rafa will be out of job this time next month. Frank Rijkaard will be in charge. You heard it first

]]> By: rob pullinger http://www.dexysden.co.uk/2008/01/the-problem-with-liverpool-is-steven-gerrard/comment-page-1/#comment-559 rob pullinger Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:53:02 +0000 http://blog.ukfootballfinder.co.uk/?p=68#comment-559 Liverpool are well below the so called BIG 3, and rightly so, you cant blame one player, ok so he's the captain, the engine, heartbeat of our team, but it takes 11 players, and know one is bigger than the club, ring any bells (beckham, Man u )...??? Our problem is that we need to move forward to this day and age not the Boot room as it used to be, money talks, whether its Man u, Arsenal or Chelsea, look at the Richest Club List... We are well below par and everyone knows it, the sooner fans and the club realise this and does something about it the better. until then we will always be behind. Plain and Simple, Say no more????? Liverpool are well below the so called BIG 3, and rightly so, you cant blame one player, ok so he’s the captain, the engine, heartbeat of our team, but it takes 11 players, and know one is bigger than the club, ring any bells (beckham, Man u )…???

Our problem is that we need to move forward to this day and age not the Boot room as it used to be, money talks, whether its Man u, Arsenal or Chelsea, look at the Richest Club List…
We are well below par and everyone knows it, the sooner fans and the club realise this and does something about it the better. until then we will always be behind.

Plain and Simple, Say no more?????

]]> By: rob pullinger http://www.dexysden.co.uk/2008/01/the-problem-with-liverpool-is-steven-gerrard/comment-page-1/#comment-558 rob pullinger Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:40:42 +0000 http://blog.ukfootballfinder.co.uk/?p=68#comment-558 Not in the same league as you mentioned, dream on mate!!!! He's been outstanding for Liverpool on more than one occasion, a player that rises to the challenge, look at the Champions League final, Fa Cup, need i say more, and before you say it no im not going on about HISTORY, as many of you so called Football fans keep going on about?? He's someone England need and on more than one occasion, he has been the best that we have had....dont even compare him to Lampard,he cant play defensive, chelsea rely on him to push forward.He's a silly, fat, greedy waste of time... Stev G is not Liverpool's problem, its Rafa and his rotating, tinkering, call it what you want, not enough quality players, all his buys bar two or three are bit time players....not good enough to where let alone play for the club. and the americans.....the sooner we get all these problems sorted the better we will be.... Thus it will be quiet a while before Liverpool can challenge... Not in the same league as you mentioned, dream on mate!!!!

He’s been outstanding for Liverpool on more than one occasion, a player that rises to the challenge, look at the Champions League final, Fa Cup, need i say more, and before you say it no im not going on about HISTORY, as many of you so called Football fans keep going on about??

He’s someone England need and on more than one occasion, he has been the best that we have had….dont even compare him to Lampard,he cant play defensive, chelsea rely on him to push forward.He’s a silly, fat, greedy waste of time…

Stev G is not Liverpool’s problem, its Rafa and his rotating, tinkering, call it what you want, not enough quality players, all his buys bar two or three are bit time players….not good enough to where let alone play for the club. and the americans…..the sooner we get all these problems sorted the better we will be….
Thus it will be quiet a while before Liverpool can challenge…

]]> By: Matt http://www.dexysden.co.uk/2008/01/the-problem-with-liverpool-is-steven-gerrard/comment-page-1/#comment-557 Matt Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:21:50 +0000 http://blog.ukfootballfinder.co.uk/?p=68#comment-557 Rubbish! Gerrard is the best midfielder in the country if not the world??? How did you work that one out? When has he ever been outstanding for England? Even when Frank Lampard gets all the flak and he is given a defensive midfielder to play alongside him, Gerrard still fails to show up. He is not in the same league as Scholes, Fabregas, Riquelme, Gattuso, Pirlo, Iniesta, Deco, Xavi, Rosicky, Essien, Ronaldo, Messi, Cambiasso, Arteta... i could go on. I also disagree about the players getting into other teams... Agger. Good player but not better than the big 3's defenders. Babbel wouldnt get into any of the others, nor would Alonso and you know my feelings on Gerrard! Torres (and Reina) are the only ones who would make it into the other teams. Rubbish! Gerrard is the best midfielder in the country if not the world??? How did you work that one out? When has he ever been outstanding for England? Even when Frank Lampard gets all the flak and he is given a defensive midfielder to play alongside him, Gerrard still fails to show up. He is not in the same league as Scholes, Fabregas, Riquelme, Gattuso, Pirlo, Iniesta, Deco, Xavi, Rosicky, Essien, Ronaldo, Messi, Cambiasso, Arteta… i could go on.

I also disagree about the players getting into other teams… Agger. Good player but not better than the big 3′s defenders. Babbel wouldnt get into any of the others, nor would Alonso and you know my feelings on Gerrard! Torres (and Reina) are the only ones who would make it into the other teams.

]]> By: Darren http://www.dexysden.co.uk/2008/01/the-problem-with-liverpool-is-steven-gerrard/comment-page-1/#comment-555 Darren Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:12:36 +0000 http://blog.ukfootballfinder.co.uk/?p=68#comment-555 so exactly how many of the Liverpool's youth team players have broke into to the first team? Under Rafa the answer is none. He would rather sign average foreign players, like Voralin, Kewell, Pennant. So what if most of the Liverpool team would get into the other big 3, the fact of the matter is with his constant tinkering there is no consistency what so ever. Consistency equals familiarity, players need to build up an understanding, get to know each others games. so exactly how many of the Liverpool’s youth team players have broke into to the first team?

Under Rafa the answer is none. He would rather sign average foreign players, like Voralin, Kewell, Pennant.

So what if most of the Liverpool team would get into the other big 3, the fact of the matter is with his constant tinkering there is no consistency what so ever. Consistency equals familiarity, players need to build up an understanding, get to know each others games.

]]> By: rob pullinger http://www.dexysden.co.uk/2008/01/the-problem-with-liverpool-is-steven-gerrard/comment-page-1/#comment-554 rob pullinger Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:52:00 +0000 http://blog.ukfootballfinder.co.uk/?p=68#comment-554 Benitez is a victim of his own success. Liverpool haven't won the league in 15 years prior to his arrival. His net spending is little compared to united and chelseas and he's started to build up a great youth system. No one has broken into the title race since abramovich has come along so I don't see why Benitez has been expected to do so. - he's held on to gerrard, which must have been partly due to the champers win. - he's signed torres, which must have been partly down to benitez. - he's developed the youth system, winning the youth cup twice and signing players such as lucas, agger, mascherano, babel and torres. - taken liverpool to 4 cup finals which his tactics have played a large part in. 2 seasons without a trophy is not a reason for Liverpool to sack a manager. Houllier was taking Liverpool down. I think you have to look at the Liverpool squad and consider how many would get into Man United/Chelsea/Arsenal's teams. Reina (United/Arsenal) Arbeloa (United) Agger (All) Babel (All) Gerrard (All) Xabi (All) Torres (All) At the end of the day Rafa doesn't rotate his team, he butchers them, thats why Liverpool are where they are??? Benitez is a victim of his own success. Liverpool haven’t won the league in 15 years prior to his arrival. His net spending is little compared to united and chelseas and he’s started to build up a great youth system. No one has broken into the title race since abramovich has come along so I don’t see why Benitez has been expected to do so.

- he’s held on to gerrard, which must have been partly due to the champers win.
- he’s signed torres, which must have been partly down to benitez.
- he’s developed the youth system, winning the youth cup twice and signing players such as lucas, agger, mascherano, babel and torres.
- taken liverpool to 4 cup finals which his tactics have played a large part in.

2 seasons without a trophy is not a reason for Liverpool to sack a manager. Houllier was taking Liverpool down.

I think you have to look at the Liverpool squad and consider how many would get into Man United/Chelsea/Arsenal’s teams.

Reina (United/Arsenal)

Arbeloa (United)
Agger (All)

Babel (All)
Gerrard (All)
Xabi (All)

Torres (All)

At the end of the day Rafa doesn’t rotate his team, he butchers them, thats why Liverpool are where they are???

]]> By: rob pullinger http://www.dexysden.co.uk/2008/01/the-problem-with-liverpool-is-steven-gerrard/comment-page-1/#comment-552 rob pullinger Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:18:04 +0000 http://blog.ukfootballfinder.co.uk/?p=68#comment-552 Well what can i say, yes very good comments made, and agree with most....butt and its a big butt, stev g is centre mid not winger end of story.......yes you have the facts, but it remains true to anyone, stev g is the best midfielder in this country, probably in the world too in his position, and its not a typical midfielder role he does like the one's mentioned.....he's better than most and any team and any manager would have him in there team...???? as for liverpool and england if you take him out, you take the driving force that is needed, who else you going to play there.....liverpool dont have a replacement, so dont even mention masch or alonso, or levi...england ...lampand???, sorry do me favour, its tried and tested and failed???? Liverpool need to spend some cash and get rid of the rubbish, six players at least, two of which have to be strikers and that includes getting rid of Crouch, he's no first team starter, keep hinm as sub, yes maybe....why, you may ask, he has no pace ,no good in the air too pridictable???? Also get rid of the Yanks, who havent got a clue about Football not the American version, get DCI in, as for Rafa....Ilike him but too much tinkering...got his priorities wrong...if he goes then who's going to replace hiim?????? Liverpool still way behind, and thats coming from a scouse fan..... Well what can i say, yes very good comments made, and agree with most….butt and its a big butt, stev g is centre mid not winger end of story…….yes you have the facts, but it remains true to anyone, stev g is the best midfielder in this country, probably in the world too in his position, and its not a typical midfielder role he does like the one’s mentioned…..he’s better than most and any team and any manager would have him in there team…????
as for liverpool and england if you take him out, you take the driving force that is needed, who else you going to play there…..liverpool dont have a replacement, so dont even mention masch or alonso, or levi…england …lampand???, sorry do me favour, its tried and tested and failed????
Liverpool need to spend some cash and get rid of the rubbish, six players at least, two of which have to be strikers and that includes getting rid of Crouch, he’s no first team starter, keep hinm as sub, yes maybe….why, you may ask, he has no pace ,no good in the air too pridictable????
Also get rid of the Yanks, who havent got a clue about Football not the American version, get DCI in, as for Rafa….Ilike him but too much tinkering…got his priorities wrong…if he goes then who’s going to replace hiim??????
Liverpool still way behind, and thats coming from a scouse fan…..

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