Neymar, did he cheat?

by Matt Gibson

Wednesday, October 2nd, 2013
 

Let me start by saying that I do not condone diving. Put plain and simply; it is cheating. On Tuesday night Scott Brown was sent of for a small kick at Neymar. While I don’t agree with the way the Brazilian writhed around in agony, I don’t feel he is deserving of people calling him a cheat.

I think everyone is in agreement that Brown deserved the red card he got; it was a petulant move from one of Celtic’s most experienced players. Referee Stéphane Lannoy reached for his yellow card for the initial trip but after seeing Neymar’s reaction it became clear that Brown was deserving of something more, a red in this incident.

I personally see diving as trying to trick the referee into a wrong decision, what Neymar did was actually help the referee into making the right one. Let me recall Marouane Chamakh’s dive on the weekend against Southampton, the centre forward went down before being touched, in an attempt to con the referee into giving a penalty and potentially sending off Artur Boruc in the process. Let’s hypothetically say that Chamakh’s dive went unnoticed and Palace went a man and a goal up, this would’ve given them a completely unfair and unjust advantage. Now let me distinguish the difference between this and Neymar’s ‘diving’ against Celtic. Celtic deserved to be a man down, the red card was the correct decision and Barcelona went on to win the game. Again let’s talk about things hypothetically, assume that Neymar didn’t react to the kick and Celtic incorrectly kept 11 men on the pitch. If Celtic then went on to win the game (all hypothetically remember), surely it’s Brown who is the cheater here. A clear red card offence went unpunished and gave his team an unfair advantage. Neymar was ensuring that his team got the advantage that they warranted.

Many after the game said that Neymar had got Scott Brown sent off and I agree, Neymar did get Scott Brown sent off. What’s wrong with that however? It wasn’t as though he didn’t kick out at Neymar after the ball had gone. I can accept that if players start taking the game into their own hands then referees will lose complete control. Should Neymar have rolled around on the floor as though he’d just been booted properly? Probably not, it was nothing short of play-acting. Did Neymar’s play-acting help ensure the correct decision was made? Yes.

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  • Don McGuire

    “…Many after the game said that Neymar had got Scott Brown sent off and I agree, Neymar did get Scott Brown sent off. What’s wrong with that however?”

    What’s VERY clearly wrong with that is that faking an injury to get an opponent sent off is unsportsmanlike conduct, and is against the rules just as much as kicking at an opponent is against the rules.

    If you want to play by the rulebook, then BOTH players should have been carded. But referees today are far too lenient when it comes to dishing out cards for diving. Ask yourself how many cards have been issued to divers? And how many free kicks have been awarded to those same divers? Do you really believe that ALL of the free kicks which didn’t receive a card for diving, were absolutely genuine free kicks?

    Rugby is a far more physical game, yet there are FAR fewer stoppages for ‘injuries’…..Ask yourself why? It’s time for referees to start issuing far more cards to the divers, to even things up.

  • Matt Gibson

    Cheers for your input Don, the point of the article is to stimulate discussion. Do you not agree however, that had Neymar not done anything then Brown would’ve gotten away with his red card offence?

  • brian

    The problem with the way Naymer behaves is that it is unsporting (which is a yellow card offense) and it makes the referee’s job more difficult. Should all the coaches in the CL examine this example and say hey, if only our players had done that then could have turned our game. Then the preparation for big games would involve a session on play acting, after all it is win at all costs. Make the Fair Play campaign seem irrelevant. This is not the way I want to see the ‘beautiful game’ played and I am sure you will not want that either.

  • jimmyd

    Neymar cheated for the entire game. Did you see the game ? If not,you have no idea of his shameful antics.

  • Leo

    If Mr Brown had been left on the pitch after that silly act, then surely he would have cheated!! Simply put, he wanted to play unfairly, outside the rules of the game, in an unsportmalike manner. Thank God Neymar acted clever and exposed Mr Brown’ attempted act of cheating.

  • http://celtsfromthesouth.wordpress.com/ Stevie Mac

    Matt,
    what you have failed to mention is that throughout the match, Neymar was play acting. On one particular occasion, he took a dive either just in or outside of the Celtic penalty box.
    The referee allowed the game to flow until play stopped. At which point, Neymar was spoken to about his conduct but no card was produced.
    In fact Neymar simulated diving and injury throughout the match. None of these occasions produced a card for the Brazilian.
    If you want to throw the rule book at Brown, consider Neymar as well. If you chalk up everyone of his misdemeanors he should never have been on the park either
    Brown fouled him, yes. Brown had a bit of afters, yes.
    Did Neymar exaggerate the little conact that was made. Judging by his antics throughout the match most definitely.
    So what Don has said is correct. The trouble is that referees do not have the balls do take such action.
    Unfortunately, South American as well as Spanish and Italian players are renowned for diving. It’s been in the game for decades.
    The flipside is that other European countries are deemed to be a bit rougher. This is where some of the decision making comes from in my opinion.
    I watched the Madrid derby last week and was appaled by the antics going on by both sides. The bottom line is that Brown was stupid and Neymar was a cheat.
    He’s off the respect list but perhaps he’ll learn his lesson the hard way. I only wish that Brown had kicked him properly to make it worht getting sent off.

  • Brian53

    “Let me start by saying that I do not condone diving. Put plain and simply; it is cheating. On Tuesday night Scott Brown was sent of for a small kick at Neymar. While I don’t agree with the way the Brazilian writhed around in agony, I don’t feel he is deserving of people calling him a cheat.”

    “but after seeing Neymar’s reaction it became clear that Brown was deserving of something more, a red in this incident.”

    His reaction to what? an attempted flick by Brown. I have watched the reply several times, Minimal contact was made and it was Neymar’s reaction that got him sent off. That’s cheating.

    Football is becoming a dreadful sport were cheating is seen as ok.

    Balotelli cheated against Celtic in the last round of games but was more blatant last night against Ajax. It has become the norm to fall down in an around your opponents box to get an unfair advantage.

    They are so good at it you can only assume they practice it in training and that it is condoned by their managers in the win at any cost football we have today.

  • Brian53

    Replay

  • lisboacelt

    i agree browns petulant flick with his boot was stupid but it brushed neymars arm not his back as he tried to make out rolling about screaming holding his back he went out onto the pitch with the sole intention of getting a celtic player sent off in the 1st half the referee pointed a finger at him for simulation instead of booking him so every time anyone went near him he went down he is a player with history for doing it no class never be a messi or ineasta or xavi they don’t try to get fellow pros sent off

  • John

    Shouldn’t you be at an Orange Order meeting or crying about Sevco’s annual accounts?

    If Elbows McCulloch was sent off for same, you would be crying in your Buckie.

  • Matt Gibson

    Again, cheers for all your input guys. Like I said, it was definitely an article attempted to provoke conversation.

    And let me remind you that I don’t condone diving, but let me refer back to the original point I made about diving, it’s an attempt to con referees into incorrect decisions. What Neymar achieved was the correct decision.

  • Stevie

    We get diving being about conning refs, Matt, but I think your argument is absurd. Neymar would have gone down regardless of whether Brown made any challenge.

    The Brazilian had been doing it all game and its called cheating. Just because one of several instances produced a red card doesn’t mean Neymar did the right thing.

    If thats what you are saying then Neymar had been doing the right thing all game even although he was cheating.

  • JimmyD

    Matt, please watch Neymar in action, then you will see how he plays. he is a cheat. plain and simple.

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